22 thoughts on “Why Don’t Feminists Fight For Muslim Women?”

  1. 3 men ( 1 republican , 2 not-republican) got stabbed , 2 died 1 did not protecting 2 Muslim women . In their death is your ignorance.

  2. Wow, so much to react to in that video. One, Eve Ensler is apparently a complete moron. That so called feminist mayor in Germany is beyond contemptible. I think feminists, many of whom would be considered on the “Left” politically, are loathe to criticize any group that is non-white.

    All these refugees flooding into Europe have brought many problems. Let’s not waste resources trying to change the culture of a religious, ethnic or racial group. Only fools are interested in saving the world. Let us (in the west) instead control our borders and make immigration decisions based on what is best for our country.

  3. Via FB:

    Carol Ephphatha Maranatha

    Did you ever wonder why more Muslims don’t speak out against Sharia Law and it’s evil rules? The answer is, they can’t. By Sharia Law, to deny any verse of the Quran is punishable by death.
    Freedom of Conscience and the Free Exchange of Ideas
    (o8.1) – When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
    (o8.4) – There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (since it is killing someone who deserves to die).
    Acts that define “leaving Islam” and being subject to execution are listed in o8.7. They include:
    -2- to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future
    -3- to deny the existence of Allah… or any of his attributes
    -6- to be sarcastic about Allah’s name, his command, his interdiction… or his threat
    -7- to deny any verse of the Quran
    -8- to mockingly say, “I don’t know what faith is”
    -17- to believe that things in themselves or by their own nature have any causal influence independent of the will of Allah

      1. Deuteronomy 22:13-29
        13 “If any man takes a wife and zgoes in to her and then hates her 14 and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying, ‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,’ 15 then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. 16 And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her; 17 and behold, he has accused her of misconduct, saying, “I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity.” And yet this is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. 18 Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip2 him, 19 and they shall fine him a hundred shekels3 of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin4 of Israel. And she shall be his wife. aHe may not divorce her all his days. 20 But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, 21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and bthe men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has cdone an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house. dSo you shall purge the evil from your midst.
        22 e“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. dSo you shall purge the evil from Israel.
        23 “If there is a fbetrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor’s wife. dSo you shall purge the evil from your midst.
        25 “But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, 27 because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
        28 g“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

        1. Thats what i am talking about!! Sunce this book was written many a woman has met her fate because of this book. Word of god my ass.

          1. What the
            -Book of Mormon
            says about …
            Second Printing now available!

            What the Bible says about stoning

            Everybody must get stoned

            For touching Mount Sinai
            Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13
            For taking “accursed things”
            Achan … took of the accursed thing. … And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. … So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26
            For cursing or blaspheming
            And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
            For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
            If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
            For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
            If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28
            For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
            If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her … and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say … these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. … But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
            For worshipping other gods
            If there be found among you … that … hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them … Then shalt thou … tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
            If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers … thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
            For disobeying parents
            If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother … Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city … And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
            For witches and wizards
            A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
            For giving your children to Molech
            Whosoever … giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2
            For breaking the Sabbath
            They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. … And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones…. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
            For cursing the king
            Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10
            Note: There is an interesting story in John 8 about a woman caught in adultery. It is often used to show that Jesus was opposed to stoning. Unfortunately, Jesus doesn’t clearly say that he is, and the story may not belong in the Bible anyway, since it is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts.

    1. All of those reasons which the Islamic scripture specifies as cause for being killed are precisely the same reasons which the Christian scripture specifies as cause for being killed, but the Christian scriptire adds an especially sadistic severity, in which the infidel/apostate/unbeliever/denier is subjected to the torturous physical and psychological pain of being killed over and over again, every second, every moment, every minute, every day, every week, every month, every year, forever and ever and ever and ever, ad infinitum.

      Given the choice, I’d rather be killed only once. Ya know, like, okay dude, get it over with. 🙂

      “Bring to me all those who don’t want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in front of me.” – Mr. Nice Guy Jesus, Luke 19:27

      In all the Abrahamic religions, killing the practitioners of free choice and non-conformity is the ultimate supreme manifestation of the majesty of the deity and his holy henchmen (church and state)

      Of course it is. How else for the dynamic duo of the clergy and the “governing authorities” to generate and maintain the “fear of the Lord”?

      See New Testament book of Romans, chapter 13, verses 1 through 6.

      Brilliant: A sugar-coated manifesto for maintaining fear of a killer Big Brother on earth, and a bigger killer Big Brother in the population’s imagery of the sky, i.e., in the mind’s eye.


      It’s brilliant. It works.

      1. Mr. Powell,
        The English translation of Scripture is extensively and undoubtedly inaccurate. I suggest you learn ancient Greek before you become so arrogant to interpret Divinely inspired texts. As it says in the book of Job, ” Where were you when I founded the earth. Tell me if you have understanding.” Your bashing of religion exposes the darkness within your own soul. May your lack of spiritual knowledge not blind your sight to uncover the truth that resides in every dear human soul. Bless you seacher of truth.

        1. Dear Anonymous, apparently you are not aware of the fact that there many scholarly reference books available which will provide, to any person of above average intelligence and patience, the means with which to translate any Greek or Hebrew phrase, word or complete manuscript into the english language.

          In addition to owning more translations of the Jewish and Christian “bibles” than you’ll probably ever see in your life, I also own a large number of those Greek and Hebrew translation reference books noted above, and I’ve been using them frequently during my 40+ years of studying the Greek text of the Christian New Testament, and the Hebrew texts of the Jewish Tanakh (the “Old Testament”) and the Jewish Rabbinic commentaries on law and ceremony (the Talmud).

          You are correct to say that the most traditional and most common translations of scripture are sometimes inaccurate, but your assertion that those inaccuracies are extensive IS NOT true.

          No one needs to have been present when the energies and elements of the Universe “founded the earth”, in order to “have understanding” of this sentence or any sentence written in any book, including the “bible”.

          I don’t do any interpreting of what is written in the Christian or Jewish mythologies (the “scriptures”). I read them for what they are. I consider that they mean exactly what they say. I do NO interpreting at all.

          The “light” in my “soul” motivates and encourages me to conceive and contemplate criticisms of what is written in any book I read. I don’t “bash” any book.

          I only criticize when criticism is the right thing to do, in accordance with certain standards of morality and science. For example, the moral standard which insists that the Judeo-Christian bible’s approval and advocacy of rape and slavery are proofs of “the darkness within [the] soul” of the authors of those approvals and advocacies, and “the darkness within [the] soul” of whomever asserts that such approvals and advocacies of immoralities are “truth”.

          May your lack of scriptural knowledge and lack of moral maturity not blind your sight to uncover the lies that reside within anything or anyone you encounter, including the bible and your own mind.

          Shalom. Bless you searcher of something to trust.


          1. What is all this talk about accurate translation of religious scribes? We will never know the honest thinking of a writer by what he has written. (Oops. Did I say “he”?) Knowlege is to be gained form other sources.

            Once,I had a brilliant, off the charts, science professor. In his advance classes, he would give his exams and allow the student to bring any books of their choice. He was surprised that I even asked why he had such a practice. Needless to say, many high grade point average students avoided his course, didn’t do well, or flunked.

  4. Certain Orthodox Jewish sects are also profoundly misogynist. I get dirty looks from some Orthodox men in my neighborhood for wearing pants, not covering my hair and not dressing “frum.” One such man sitting next to me in a kosher coffee shop (which is on my block) made a comment about Jewish identity and then gave me a nasty look.

    Of course, not all of them feel this way. Just yesterday an Orthodox man smiled broadly at me on Eastern Parkway and wished me good Shabbos.

    The problem in Orthodox Jewish culture for women is that they are willfully choosing their own oppression. How does one address that problem?

  5. http://www.thejournal.ie/fgm-ireland-convictions-3107152-Jan2017/

    ‘DESPITE FEMALE GENITAL mutilation (FGM) being outlawed in Ireland in 2012 and almost 4,000 girls having become victims of it, there have been no convictions under the legislation, the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has told TheJournal.ie’

    Complete silence as regards these barbaric acts that have been ongoing for decades in western countries because the liberal/feminist/homo identity is so wrapped up in itself that empathy is not real anymore, all that is real is IDENTITY. And outrage all stems from the IDENTITY being challenged.

    Forced marriages, horrendous domestic abuse that goes unchallenged, except by the heroic Muslim women who have been ostracized by their own communities for challenging it and faced the kind of horrifying isolation that most cosy liberals jus dont have the empathic reasoning to imagine because their lives are built around forming bonds with corresponding identities and locking out reality from inside their bubble. Their identity only allows them to care within strict social boundaries.

    As a liberal and a citizen of a western country i believe it is our obligation to free muslim people of this extreme religious tyranny by only allowing a reformed muslim spirituality which adheres to the liberal values that we supposedly value in our countries. if they cant except that then being forced to leave is entirely reasonable. I for one do not wanna feel responsible for child abuse to young girls or young women forced to marry men who see them as property.

    Being truly empathic takes making TOUGH decisions, enough is enough.

    There is very little support for dissident muslims as there is NO support for dissident aids activists because that is too challenging to the precepts of the liberal identity which in itself has completely overtaken the old catholic/christian dogma in EUROPE as the new BLIND religiosity!

    1. What about male genital mutilation , popular with the Christians. You know what they say “you can keep the tip”

  6. To declare, with false authority and finality, that the whole population of women and men who identify as feminists don’t fight for liberating Muslim women from the doctrinal and institutional oppressions, subjugations, degradations and humiliations imposed by orthodox Islam, is clearly ridiculous and absurd.

    But, those feminists who don’t fight for such liberating of Muslim women, don’t do so for the same reason non-feminist orthodox conservatives/traditionalists don’t fight for liberating Jewish, Christian and Catholic women from the doctrinal and institutional oppressions, subjugations, degradations and humiliations imposed by orthodox Judaism, Christianity and Catholicism.

    The reason, in both cases, is undue/undeserved deference to male-supremacist religiosity.

    Islam and Christianity/Catholicism are both male-supremacist mythologies/theologies.

    Relgion is the problem, not the answer, in all cases of systemic and systematic oppression, subjugation, degradation and humiliation of women

    1. Though I agree with John Powell wholeheartedly on this issue I fail to understand how his verbose denigration of these religious faiths is less offensive to a believer than was my question “What has a god ever done for you?”

      1. Brother Strawberry, the fact that you “fail to understand” what is and what is not less offensive to a believer is an issue for YOUR contemplation and resolution, in your private thoughts.

        It is not my issue, and it is not Celia’s issue.

        Evidently, you have a general issue with examining yourself. That’s why you still “fail to understand” how infantile you make yourself look by continuing to whine about other people not resolving your failure and not taking the blame for it.

        1. Mr Powell
          Kindly place your self-righteous twaddle deep in the gaping chasm of your sanctimonious craw and twist firmly.

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